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a carjack, a gunfight, a cabin fire, a corpse. in southern california this hour, the hunt for a cop turned killer may be over, but i repeat, it just may be over. there are still so many questions that remain. police may answer some of them just moments from now. also, no power, few toilets, dwindling food and still another full day away from reaching land. just try to imagine the nightmare on that disabled carnival cruise ship, and then imagine your children are there without you. i'm going to speak to two desperate mothers. and jodie arias, she admits she killed her ex-boyfriend. she hopes an x-rated phone chat will be something that helps get her acquitted. i'm going to play some of that, what the jurors actually heard in open court in just moments. but we begin with what appears to be christopher dorner's fiery last stand. any second now police in los
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angeles are due to brief reporters on the final hours of a manhunt for the fired l.a. cop who waged war on his comrades. we know a burned corpse was recovered from the cabin where dorner holed up near big bear east of los angeles. but we do not have the scientific confirmation yet that that corpse is, in fact, dorner's. we also don't know how the cabin caught fire. we do have some remarkable audio that was captured by a reporter who found himself smack dab in the middle of a gunfight, and i'm not exaggerating. you really have to hear it to believe it. >> i hear some screaming. >> remarkable video, remarkable audio. we'll return to it in just a
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moment. but first, live to los angeles, where the lapd is holding an updated news conference. >> lost a deputy in the tragic incidents that unfolded in the mountains of san bernardino. there's a lot of apprehension today, and any kind of celebration, because this really is not a celebration. it's been a very trying time over the last couple weeks for all of those involved and all those families, friends, and everybody that's been touched by this dorner incident. so, again, i just would like to express our deepest sympathy from our department, our heart and prayers go out to those family and friends of those deputies who were injured and the deputy that was killed yesterday. with that, let me just give you some brief -- bring you up to date where we are today with respect to the investigation. the investigation in to the dorner incidents and the homicides related to christopher dorner continue.
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and that will continue until the investigators have completed everything that they need to do related to that. we are doing everything we can on this. what transpired in san bernardino is being investigated by the san bernardino sheriff's department, so i have no comments on their investigation at this time. i can tell you that the lapd has now moved back into a normal state of police operation. that began late last night and will continue now as far as normal patrol operation. the protective details, some of those are still in place, and those will remain in place until the department and those protectees feel safe. as you know, until that
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investigation in san bernardino's concluded and we have any type of positive identification on what transpired up there, we still have some individuals in this department who are still in great fear. when your life and the lives of your family are placed in jeopardy and threatened with death, that's quite something to deal with. so, we have approximately a dozen or so of those protective details that will remain in place at this point. all other resources have been returned to their normal functions. the city has not been on any type of tactical alert since early yesterday morning. and we will remain to -- in that status until further. so, at this time that's about all i have in terms of the investigation. if there's some questions related to the dorner investigation that i'm able to answer, again, i'm not able to comment on anything related to san bernardino. [ inaudible question ]
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well, again, we have homicide investigation. the fact that the incident transpired yesterday and, you know, we won't speculate at this point whether that is christopher dorner or not. but even if it was to be christopher dorner, again, we have a case to close. just because arrest warrants were issued and charges were filed in riverside, there's still a case pending in irvine. the double homicide. and so there's still much work to be done. we just don't stop an investigation because the suspected individual may no longer be available. [ inaudible question ] say that again. >> how long does it take to get a positive identification? >> okay. yeah, again, that will depend on the condition of the body that's
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recovered. it will depend on the forensics that are available and the laboratories that are available. i would not make any assumptions right now. but, again, those types of identifications can be expedite expedited in these circumstances and i'm sure that will be done. [ inaudible question ] no, right now this is a san bernardino case, the incident that occurred up there involving the shooting and the body that was discovered will be announced by the san bernardino county sheriff. >> as far as the reward goes if he is, in fact, deceased, is that still on the table? and what would be the requirements of the reward? >> that would be determined by the city attorneys that are involved. the issuance of a reward, again, is for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of an individual. this is sort of an unusual circumstance. certainly there was information that was provided that was very
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beneficial yesterday, and that will be examined and evaluated by the people who deal with the rewards. the los angeles police department does not issue rewards. so, we are not in the reward business. those are outside entities that issue those rewards, in an effort to support the investigation. >> beyond the emotional and psychic toll of losing officers and deputies, has there been any calculation of the financial cost of all this? >> yeah. not as yet. i don't have any cost estimates in terms of what this particular investigation has cost to this point. i'm sure at some point those figures or an estimate will come out. [ inaudible question ] well, our investigation will continue, again, until the investigators have been able to bring their case to a conclusion. and a lot of that will deal with the district attorney's office
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and making sure that we have covered every base, you know, there's still witnesses out there, you know, these -- the thousands of clues that we -- or the over 1,000 clues that we have, many of those are related to the investigation and to the murder. and multiple murders. so, those witnesses still are key pieces that need to be resolved in terms of the investigation and documented. we don't just stop a murder case simply because we think that the suspect in that case is no longer with us. >> when you say that officers aren't feeling great here, some of them, is it because of doubt that it's over? >> well, again, if it were your family that was placed in jeopardy, not knowing for certain that the person that was threatening your family is no longer around and the threat no longer exists, that's a concern. and so there are some families who are literally traumatized and they have young children.
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they have people who have schools that their kids go to and there's great fear still, so that's a trauma that they're going to have to recover from. [ inaudible question ] yeah, i don't have any information related to accomplices or any other persons involved, but certainly those are parts of this investigation that we have to examine and look in to. >> lieutenant, can you comment on what the feeling was like inside the headquarters building, among the command staff involved in the case, watching it unfold on television yesterday? >> well, like many of you, we were -- we were listening on local internet channels that allowed us to monitor radio frequency. and it was -- it was horrifying to listen to that firefight and to hear those words, officer down, is the most gut wrenching experience that you can have as a police officer. because you know what that means. and tragically we learned that
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it truly meant just that yesterday. >> what is the possibility or what if you find he was telling the truth about -- >> i'm not going to go into that. we're in the very early stages as chief beck has mentioned of re-examining the allegations that are in the manifesto. this is not the time we're going to discuss that until we have more information on that. >> do you have any more information on what caused the firing? >> i don't. anything related to san bernardino needs to be addressed to them. >> what kind of records does the lapd keep on former officers or the current officers to aid in identification? >> just like any death investigation where an identification has to be made, that is all done through the coroner office and the coroners have access to all sorts of
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records not just those related to employment. certainly lapd does not keep dental records. when you come on the job. so, there will be other measures that will be sought after to identify that individual. i'm sorry? [ inaudible question ] is the re-examining of the person? absolutely. that's a total separate issue and i think we've made that clear that chief beck has great concern and he wants to make sure that the public has a confidence in this police department that we are operating in a transparent manner and that the members of this police department are treated fairly. and if there's information that's developed or uncovered in that investigation, that we need to address, we are going to address it and he's very clear about that. >> -- involved in family at all? >> well, i will tell you that in most identification cases the
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families of the deceased are very much a part of that. and so the coroner's office deals with that, and they seek whatever type of information can assist in that identification. >> can you comment about the wallet? >> i don't have any information related to san bernardino. [ inaudible question ] i'm sorry? [ inaudible question ] the internal affairs case, gerald shaliff who is the adviser and legal counsel, many of you know, mr. shaliff, has a very reputable history in terms of civil rights law, and he is going to oversee it as well as the inspector general's office, which is an independent reviewer that oversees all personnel complaints, all officer-involved shootings related to the police department and that's where it is at this point. your question related to
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tactical alert? we are not on tactical alert. that ended -- the last tactical alert we had was early yesterday morning. okay? thank you very much. this will be the last briefing. we are not going to have a 3:00 briefing. any -- any -- >> lieutenant andy neiman giving us a live briefing in los angeles, and perhaps the headline here while they are no longer on tactical alert with the lapd that ending yesterday, this case is far from over. the task force is still in place and there is quite a bit of work still to be done, perhaps most importantly the protective details on those officers who were listed in christopher dorner's manifesto are still being protected. i am pleased to be joined now by the mayor of los angeles, antonio villaraigosa. mr. mayor, while we await an absolute identification, a scientific forensic identification of the body that was recovered from that burned-out cabin, is it too
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early to say los angeles and, indeed, southern california is breathing a sigh of relief? >> no. i think we all are breathing a sigh of relief. we have -- we do believe that it is the body of christopher dorner, but we don't know for a certainty. until we do, those police officers that were targeted will continue to be protected. that's the least we can do. you know, a lot has been said about these people on the list, but what we don't understand is that it's not just these officers. it's their spouses, it's their kids, it's their family that have been targeted. and i've talked to many of them. this isn't about them from their vantage point, it's about their kids and their families, and we're going to protect them until there is, you know, we're reasonably certain or absolutely certain, rather, that it's him. >> and let me ask you, usually in a criminal case, it can take weeks for a positive i.d.
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dna is not something that happens overnight, unless, of course, there is a case that is so critical it leapfrogs to the head of everything else. is los angeles helping san bernardino in availing itself of the resources, the labs, everything they need to put a pin in this case and obvious assuage the concerns of those who were targeted? >> the answer is absolutely. we've offered every assistance. i want to thank the men and women of the san bernardino sheriff's department who worked day and night to find christopher dorner, who lost a very brave deputy. we have another one who is critically injured. there are a lot of innocent people who have died here. and we're working very closely with all of them. our resources are available, should they need them, but i can tell you this, that we've been working from the beginning very,
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very collaboratively and closely together to find and bring him to justice, christopher dorner. >> mr. mayor, i know that you are very kind to give us your time right now, because you are leaving this interview and you are heading to the funeral services that are planned for a little bit later this morning of michael crane, the officer from riverside who was one of the targeted victims, who was murdered, at this point believed to be murdered by christopher dorner. this is his funeral procession as it makes its way through riverside, and i know that you will be joining up with this funeral procession and those who are mourning the loss of this officer. i want to know how soon you believe we will get the positive i.d., and when you say you're availing yourselves in l.a. and those in san bernardino to help make that positive i.d. happen, how soon do you think we will get that information? >> well, in talking to chief beck earlier, i say -- i used the word absolute certainty.
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right now we -- there's a reasonable belief that it is the body of christopher dorner. once we have a reasonable certainty, maybe not an absolute one, we may pull back from the protective detail. but the -- in terms of an absolute certainty, that could take weeks. i'm not a forensic expert. i can't tell you exactly how long it will take. it may be much sooner than that. i'll let the experts speculate how long it would take. but as i understand it, it could take hours, days, maybe even weeks. >> well, let's hope that given the -- given the utmost importance of this case, they can actually do this quickly without any red tape and without any of the other issues that often backlog that kind of work from happening. let me move on to the million dollar reward. it was touched upon briefly by lieutenant andy neiman of the lapd. i understand that it is for the arrest and capture of mr. dorner. well, that's not necessarily
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possible. but i do know that those two maids who were tied up, who ultimately may have been able to provide the wheels that were eventually in motion towards stopping dorner. might they qualify for any of that money? >> they very well may qualify, and the reason why i spearheaded the effort to raise the money for this reward is chief beck asked that we do everything we can to incentivize people to come forward. and i want to acknowledge all of the county and city officials from riverside and irvine who helped out here and, of course, it may be that these people will qualify. that will be a determination made by the city attorney's office, not me or the police department, as andy neiman said. but if they qualify, they'll get the money. it's as simple as that. >> mayor villaraigosa, it's good that you spoke to those who have been living in fear after this
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now reign of christopher dorner is over. and i think that the family members and friends of officer crane whose funeral that you're about to attend will likely appreciate it greatly as well. thanks so much for your time. and thank god this is likely over. >> yes, thank god. >> mayor antonio villaraigosa joining us from los angeles on his way, again, to that funeral. we showed you the funeral procession just a little bit earlier on. and when we come back, we are going to take you to the scene of the crime. you will hear things that are absolutely remarkable. the gunfire, the showdown, the fire that ultimately may have led to the death of the man who held southern california at bay for over two weeks. think just getting rid of dark spots
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christopher dorner. a burned corpse recovered from this cabin where dorner holed up near big bear east of los angeles. we do not have ultimate forensic confirmation that it's dorner but the next best thing. police somewhat standing down. not completely, but somewhat. we also don't know how this cabin ended up catching fire. we do have some remarkable audio that was captured by one of the reporters who found himself right there in the middle of it all as it unfolded. you have got to hear this firefight. >> i hear some screaming. >> and as for the fire, we do know that police used smoke bombs and that dorner apparently did as well. here is more from our l.a. affiliate kcal and the reporter who was in the middle of that, carter evans. >> it sounds like police
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officials were trying to move carter out of the area to a safer area. >> burn it down! >> burn that [ expletive ] down. >> get going right now. >> [ expletive ] burn it down. >> cnn's miguel marques joins me now live from big bear. those are pretty incredible words to hear and i just want to hear for those who may not have seen the words on the screen, burn it down, burn it down, shoot the gas, get the gas, burn the gas, burn the gas, burn the gas. and a lot of other expletives as well. miguel, this is getting a lot of traction and a lot of people are asking questions as to whether it's possible those deputies who responded to this may have intentionally burned christopher dorner inside that cabin. >> reporter: yeah, it's hard for me to add anything at this point. san bernardino is not -- sheriff's office is not speaking
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to those points at the moment. what you hear on those tapes, though, is a very rushed, first blush of what went on there that afternoon. it sounds to me like they may have been saying use the gas. i understood about an hour before they actually went in that they were planning to do that. it is -- typically if they employ gas like that, they are trying to flush the person out. they believe that there were no hostages in that cabin, so it's not clear that they were intentionally trying to set fire to the cabin. it would be harsh for me to believe that they were, but tensions were obviously very high with one officer down and probably they knew he was dead by that time and the other one injured badly, so it was a very, very tense afternoon up here, ashleigh. >> and, miguel, just the notion whenever there's a tactical operation, we in the media are used to hearing please lay off the live locations, please take the helicopters away for your safety and ours and let us do our jobs without the suspect
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potentially being able to track our very move. for that reason, many of of us in the press were unable to witness what happened in those last moments, but were there any people who did get a first hand view of how that fire started? >> look, there was concern among law enforcement that mr. dorner may have been monitoring either television, radio, both or even the internet. they believe his phone went on at one point. it is possible they had some communication with him inside that cabin. we don't know whether or not they actually did, whether there was any offer of surrender, whether or not he wanted to come out of that cabin at any point. he certainly has left zero indication that he did, and he clearly had a deep hatred for all law enforcement no matter where they were. i do want to take you back a little bit, though, because the other thing going on here is that san bernardino is retracing their steps in how all of this played out. you know, last thursday mr. dorner burned his truck on a forest road right between the
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ski valleys here and then around 12:30 yesterday afternoon those two cleaning ladies discovered him in a house. that house is about a mile, maybe a mile and a half, from where his truck was burned. it may be the case that he was in that house for several days literally right under the nose of san bernardino sheriff's office and not -- until these two women came in to clean this house, he stole their car. that was shot up by fish and game officials. then he stole a truck. then he crashed that. then he fled into the woods, into that cabin, shot and killed one of those deputies, injured another. and then you saw what happened yesterday afternoon. there are a lot -- a lot -- of questions that need to be asked and answered. and at this point by san bernardino sheriff's office, ashleigh? >> miguel marquez joining us.
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and tom fuentes joins us now, i want to go over this so everyone is absolutely clear what was recorded from the officers who were responding at that ultimate location of the fire, burn it down, burn it down, shoot the gas, get the gas, burn the gas. burn the gas. burn the gas. burn the gas. hey, hold it. hold it. get out. get the "f" out. i suspect that is the reporter who is being told by the officers to get out of the way of this very dangerous situation. tom, is there any -- is anyone founded if they think that this was an intentional burning alive of the suspect? >> good morning, ashleigh. i don't know, you know, really how to respond to -- to the recordings basically. you hear the confusion. you hear the -- you hear almost panic on the part of whoever is talking on that microphone. and that's not normal.
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in a s.w.a.t. operation, they're highly disciplined, highly professional. there's not going to be that kind of shouting and, of course, the terminology burn it down and things like that. so, i just don't -- it doesn't fit what i'm normally used to in an operation this difficult. you wouldn't hear comments like that, so i just don't know. i think that as miguel said, the sheriff's department's going to have a lot of questions to answer about who was making those statements on the radio and why. >> and let's be really clear, there were two officers who were fired at. one of them today is dead. the other one is in the hospital having undergone surgery because of exactly what was going on inside that cabin. is it potentially even justified that you want to take out the suspect no matter what you use, be it bullets, be it fire, be it gas? is it possibly justified that they do intend to burn down the cabin?
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>> normally i would say, no, it's not justified. if he was in the process of actively shooting at those officers that moment, then they would have to return fire. but if there was any chance that he could surrender, they would have to accept his surrender. so, as soon as the subject called it off, if you will, and stopped the aggressive action and wants to surrender, you have to allow that process, allow him to surrender and take him into custody. in this case when they don't see him and don't exactly what's going on. and we don't know exactly at this moment whoever is yelling in that microphone is seeing. and i think that's the important thing here, so there could be other factors leading to this -- leading to him to shout that. but in a way rather than just fire bullets at that cabin, if he was ugh firing at them at that point for any reason and you don't hear it in the regard
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i recording, you would think you would hear gunshots in the background, so i am really at a loss to explain why if that's an officer yelling those commands and yelling burn it down, i really don't understand why that would be the case. >> all right. well, listen, i don't -- i am certainly a novice when it comes to the tactical equipment that can be used in a situation like this, but i think it might have been you at one point during the live reporting referred to something called a burner. was that you? and exactly -- if it wasn't you, do you know anything about what a burner is, if it's a device that's used? >> no, i didn't -- i didn't hear that term in the coverage yesterday and i didn't use it. what i said was that some of the devices used in a tactical -- especially when they're going to assault the location and attempt to either apprehend or if it's hostages rescue hostages, if they used what's termed a flash bang which is a grenade simulator, it makes a tremendous noise. it makes a lot of smoke and it's to disorient the subject long enough to give the tactical team
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a one-second advantage while he is stunned. the other aspect is that tear gas canisters if they're injected in there, some are not incendiary devices, but there are still some tear gas in use by s.w.a.t. teams which are an incendiary. tear gas is a misnomer. it's not a gas. it's actually little tiny particles that irritate the membranes of the human body. those particles are made airborne by smoke. the smoke is created by the fire in the -- in the grenade. so, the grenade goes in, ignites, creates smoke. the smoke carries. the pepper or the irritant if you will to disable or at least severely cause discomfort to the subject that's inside there. so, some of those devices will create a fire. some will not. i don't know what device or type of device was in use by the sheriff, s.w.a.t. team during this assault. >> which is critically important
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information, that there may have been tactical devices that could cause a fire, a collateral situation. but i just want to read for you a few more comments that were made by one of the officers on the scene and i want to just get your take on whether that might make a difference because there's definitely a different tone, a different tenor. and most of the words i can't say, so i'm going to have to make my way through this. burn that smoke grenade out. burn that "f'ing" house down, going to burn it down. get it going right now. "f'ing" burn this mother fer. does that change the dynamic here, tom? >> it just sounds terrible, you know, i'll admit that. and we don't know everything that was going on at that specific moment. and we don't know who's saying this and i think that's the key to this, is who is yelling this out. because there are other officers. it's unprofessional. it's unprofessional to use language like that.
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i don't understand if it's tactical teams talking to each other or their commander talking to them, those conversations should be on encrypted radio frequencies. they shouldn't be out open for widespread recording. and even if they are on encrypted channels that no one else can hear, it still sounds that the person was very excited. and basically, you know, lost their poise, lost their personal disciplinary control or self-control, and that's just not common. s.w.a.t. teams deal with these issues all the time, s.w.a.t. leaders, they practice, they train, they would have experience in dealing with this. even though an officer's been killed, i know, and emotions are high, they're professionals and need to contain their emotions and do what they have to do professionally. >> and i want to add here, i'm just getting a live note as i'm speaking from you from one of our producers, who says she overheard on the scanner the
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term burner being used and it was at the same time they were also discussing green smoke. and so whatever that ends up lending to this conversation, to these questions, i think there are still a lot of questions to be answered. tom fuentes, from vancouver, canada, thank you for joining us and helping us sort through the very, very disturbing questions. do appreciate it, tom. >> thank you. all right, moving on. living in filth, stuck at sea. it's a reality for more than 4,000 people on board a ship called the carnival "triumph." we're talking about sewage that is sloshing around in the hallways. a fire that paralyzed the ship on sunday, and now that ship moving very, very slowly back to port. but it's going to take another 24 hours at least. it's scheduled to arrive in mobile, alabama, tomorrow afternoon. and after the break, two mothers of two young girls who are on board that ship. they've been hearing first hand from their daughters about just how bad it is and how scared they are.
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4,000 people who are currently on board the stranded carnival "triumph" cruise ship in the gulf of mexico, which is inching its way at a snail's pace towards the shores of mobile, alabama, are desperate to reach those shores, but perhaps not as desperate as two moms who are waiting for that ship because that's where their two daughters have been for the last week.
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joining me now, kim mckerreghan and mary poret who are at the gulfport of mobile, alabama, ladies, you must be beside yourselves waiting for your daughters' return. when was the last chance you had to speak with them? >> the last chance we spoke with our daughters was on monday. monday afternoon around 1:00. >> and the only thing -- >> we spoke with them. >> what did they tell you about the conditions that they're currently enduring on board? >> the main thing my daughter told me was that they slept on the floor the first night outside in the hall. >> they're just crying and crying, mommy, i want you, i want you to come get me, mom. come get me. >> my daughter was so scared she was crying saying that she was so scared that she would never see me again. >> now, they -- >> because of the conditions that she was under. >> and the conditions, just want to make sure that the audience knows they're with their dad, but tell me about some of the
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reports that have made it off the ship. reports that, you know, some of the passengers are being asked to use bags to go to the bathroom and that there's sewage sloshing in the hallways, what do your daughters say are the conditions that they've witnessed? >> yes, ma'am. i spoke with my daughter. i got her to get her dad on the phone. and when her dad got on the phone, he told me that they were awoken by the alarms and they were very lucky to be alive, that the fire did not reach the gas tanks or there would have been an explosion. and that ten hours basically after it happened is that they were asking for them to use plastic bags to use the restrooms in and that they had eaten onion sandwiches for dinner that night. and it just -- it's just getting worse. so, that was the last time we talked to them, and there's just no telling what the conditions are right now. we're just -- we can't imagine. >> did they also confirm these
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details, that there is literally sewage on the walls and on the floors and that it's backing up throughout the ship? >> at that time all he said was that the sewer was coming up through the showers. >> right. >> and that the toilets were filling up very, very fast. and you were able to use your bathroom if somebody hasn't already used it. so, that was on monday. so, i'm sure it's at those conditions now. >> and what -- >> they were not able to sleep in the hallway. >> because it was so filthy. what about the report that people are hoarding food and that it's difficult for passengers to get food? >> yes. i had heard that people had been standing in line for four hours to get a hamburger. i cannot imagine my 12-year-old daughter and her dad and the people in their group standing in line for four hours to get something to eat. >> and was it -- >> i can't imagine.
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>> you drove from texas and you brought antibiotics with you so the minute your daughter gets off the ship you can treat her? >> yes, ma'am. before i left i called our family doctor and i told him the condition that was going on and i said just give me a broad-spectrum antibiotic that's going to be good for the bacteria of what's probably in that ship of what's going on and they went ahead and called me one in and -- >> i'm sorry to interrupt, has carnival spoke to you at all about the conditions your daughters are in? have they said anything to you about this? >> absolutely not. >> they didn't put us down as the emergency contact. we would call carnival cruise lines and ask them for information and it sounds like they are reading from paragraph "a." and we'll ask a different question and they'll read from another paragraph and we'll ask a different question and it's a different paragraph and it's the same broad spectrum answer for everything. >> i am so sorry for what you both have --
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says in self-defense. and the latest from the stand, a dirty phone sex conversation in which arias says she was debased by travis alexander and yet still enjoyed it. >> we kind of got -- reached a point during our relationship that we just began sleeping together without any boundaries or limitations. >> seems there's no boundaries or limitations to what she'll say on the stand either, but how does the twisted sex life actually play into the murder defense? we are talking about a man who's no longer with us. to talk about this now, our best legal brain sonny hostin who is a former federal prosecutor and ball cowan, cnn contributor and criminal defense attorney. paul, let me start with you, as dirty as it is, it's critical and it's significant and she and her defense attorney planned this like a book. why? >> well, they did because she's facing the death penalty, and
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frankly, she's in a totally untenable position. i mean, they have the goods on her. they know she killed him. she shot him in the head and stabbed him 27 times. what's amazing in this defense, though, is they're trying to come up with the act of misconduct by the victim for each of the 27 stab wounds. they say he's a pedophile. they say he's a pervert. they say he's a creep. i've never seen a victim so smeared in a criminal trial. but she's fighting the death penalty, and the tech is stacked against her. so, you know, this is the hail mary pass by the defense attorneys. >> and that's often what we see, the victim get smeared in a murder case especially when it's death penalty because the defendant's fighting for her life here. but i'm still confused. the phone sex tape that was so graphic, i have to say, we can't even play it on this program. the phone sex tape was so graphic, it seemed that she was a big part of it, really into it. and i don't understand how that tells me that she was a victim
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of someone who was overbearing, someone who she didn't, you know, she feared, ultimately had to kill because she was in fear for her life. how does this help her? >> you know, that makes two of us, if you're confused, ashleigh, i'm confused as well. you know, i think paul is right, that they are throwing the sort of hail mary pass because the prosecution's case is very strong. they have the goods on her. she's lied so many times, and so they are using this strategy of, you know, let's blame the victim, he was such a terrible person. but if you listen to that tape, i don't know, she does sound like a willing participant. she almost sort of furthers the conversation many times when he tries to almost switch the conversation. he just doesn't sound like the bad guy who was in complete control of their sexual relationship. so, i don't know that it helped her very much, quite frankly. i think it hurt her. i think it was a disaster for -- >> paul callan, ten seconds left, i need to know, ten seconds is all i have left, but will the jurors potentially be
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so put off by the filth they've heard, that it could really turn against her, too? >> the one thing that may help her is the pedophilia allegation against him, there is an allegation he was looking at pictures of little boys and all kind of bad things, that's so negative you don't know how it could affect a jury. that's one thing i would worry about if i were a prosecutor. >> she's still on the stand and we're getting the slow march to the murder. sunny hostin and paul callan, thank you both for your excellent insight. and sorry i had to put you through listening to all that testimony. it is fascinating and it is a unique approach to a murder case. if you want to watch the testimony, we have it on our sister station hln and "in sessio session", you can also go to dad: you'll be fine, ok? girl: ok. dad: you look so pretty. ♪ i'm overprotective.
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you anyway that your home is probably the biggest purchase that you're ever going to make in your lifetime, right? let's assume you buy the house and then you find out it used to be a meth lab. and then you find out that what the meth lab leaves behind is really toxic and you could get really sick. let's get to the bottom of this. turns out it's not just a little thing, it's a big thing. host of "your bottom line" is here. i thought it was the story of one person wronged by -- this is going into the millions. there are millions of people who are finding out that the homes they bought are poisoned. >> yeah, there are thousands and thousands of these. look, you buy a home, you do an inspection, you sign the deed, what you didn't realize is someone used it to cook drugs
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and there are chemicals in literally every surface. it happened to this woman. >> right away, we started kind of getting sick. we didn't really know what it was from. the baby was constantly, constantly sick, low birth weight, he had rsv, numerous times, stopped breathing. >> that's jamie, her family bought a house in utah in 2006, later found out it was a meth lab from a neighbor who knew this. each year, thousands of these former meth labs are sold to unsuspecting buyers. since 2004, more than 85,000 meth labs have been seized and this happens all over the country. most often in the heartland, but you can go to an interactive version of this map to see how your county compares. 84,000 meth labs, some of these are in the home, some are in the garage, some of them are in the car or the van in the garage. some are in sheds. but think about the insulation,
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the carpeting, the walls. you can clean it up. you can clean it up, you buy a house empty usually -- >> not if you're renting it. >> you rent it, your furniture's toast, as well. this has breaking bad written all over it, doesn't it? christine romans there with the business and the issue. and then there's the law. what are your rights? if you bought the house and you spent all that money, do you have any recourse? can you sue someone? can you dump the piece of dirt that you just got? you're going to find out some bad information in a moment.
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today is gonna be an important day for us. you ready? we wanna be our brother's keeper. what's number two we wanna do? bring it up to 90 decatherms. how bout ya, joe? let's go ahead and bring it online. attention on site, attention on site. now starting unit nine. some of the world's cleanest gas turbines are now powering some of america's biggest cities. siemens. answers. in a story straight out of "breaking bad," shout out to my cousin michelle who directs it.
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listen, this is true. this is really happening. people are buying houses only to find out -- and sometimes renting them only to find out they were previously meth labs. and all of those poisons that are released into the atmosphere after meth labs cook up their junk, they get into the carpets, into the walls, they get into insulation and they make you very, very sick, and there you are with your biggest purchase of your life. paul callan is here with us, sunny hostin and also jeffrey toobin. jeff, are you stuck with it? >> not necessarily. i mean, when you close on a house, you sign lots of papers. some of those papers are representations that the seller makes. the seller has clear title to the house, the seller is delivering to you a house that is habitable. if they turn -- if the house turns out to be uninhabitable, you have certain rights. it's a pain in the neck to try to exercise those rights. what you want is a clean, decent
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house. but legally you do have some recourse against both the seller and, perhaps, the mortgage company that have done the due diligence. >> i'm reading all about these cases where people are left stuck and they feel like they're on the hook for paying for the cleanup at the same time paying for rental because they've got to move out, their babies are getting sick and they have to pay the mortgage. >> i was just looking down at my notes about the breaking bad series. because walter white's lawyer saul goodman, you need him in this situation. the lesson is, never move into a house that he owned. ultimately, there's an immunity -- there's an immunity statute here that protects, of course, the city. because they're afraid they'll put the city out of business if every single person sues because they moved into a crack house and, i guess, the argument is, hey, they knew it was a crack house, they should have been more careful in the inspection, probably got it for a lower
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price. >> well, and you know what? some of these houses are low priced because they were in foreclosure at one point. and sunny, there's the old expression that we all have to employ when we're on ebay and anywhere else, that's buyer beware. does that fall into place here? >> i think it depends on the situation. some states require disclosure, some states don't. and to jeff's point, which was a good one, you know, you do have a lot of rights i think when you buy these homes. but to enforce those rights sometimes may be difficult. unfortunately in our world, he who has the best lawyer often wins, right? and so other than buyer beware, i think you've got to have a good lawyer on your side. >> and a good building inspector, you know. in the northeast, we inspect for underground tanks and radon and in arizona and utah, you better be looking for meth, as well. >> jeffrey toobin, last quick comment. >> nobody wants to file a lawsuit. you want a clean house. and the problem is if you live in a house like this, the first
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thing you'll do is hire somebody to clean it up. and then you have to deal with the money situation and it takes a long time and lawyers are expensive and -- >> well, a little bit of breaking bad on cnn this morning. thanks all three of you. jeffrey toobin, sunny hostin, and paul callan. >> there is a lot more to find out about this, places to call, to check. just a wealth of information. and it all starts at and we are just moments away from the president speaking in asheville, north carolina. the president is going to be pushing his domestic agenda here. we'll bring his remarks to you live. you can see that the podium is ready for him. the advance crew has been there. it's hopefully safe and secure and those will come to you live as soon as they happen. thank you, everyone, for being with us during this edition of "newsroom." 1942. [ all ] fort benning, georgia, in 1999.
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